Sunday, December 29, 2013

Encouraging Others to Play Bad

I always like to get input from other players who have been playing Hold 'Em for a longer period of time than I have. Especially those whom I know have been long term winners at the game. The knowledge that I can glean helps to make me a better player and helps to keep me from falling into the pitfalls that a majority of others may spiral into. I also like to listen to what losing players say because they give me a blueprint of how to beat them (that's another article for another day though). Of all of the advice, words of wisdom, and others things that I have absorbed, one piece of information has remained constant: The most profitable games that you can play in are games with players that are loose and fill the air with action. 

I always get a kick out of hearing players cry and whine when they get their pocket Aces or Kings smashed in a pot that has 3 or 4 players calling with hands like 2-4, 7-9, J-7 suited or off and the suck out winner makes a lucky two pair or a straight. I'm not immune. I've made the error of doing it myself at times. The fact that a big pair pre-flop is vulnerable against multiple opponents is just one facet of a disaster waiting to happen. On the flip side, would you prefer that these players actually play good poker against you? My answer to that question is a resounding and emphatic, "Hell no!"

When lesser skilled players try to get lucky and play that loose is where my bankroll growth comes from. In fact, one of the things I wonder and ask is this, not only do I welcome play that terrible but do you think it's a good idea to encourage your opponents to play that horribly. I ask this question because I know that this starts to approach a line of etiquette and maybe even ethics of what you should and shouldn't say in poker. A few weeks ago I remember a guy was constantly chasing weak draws and would miss. Eventually he took down a pretty good size pot in an 8/16 Limit game for about 15 or 16 big bets after I flopped a set. The loss stung a little but I was still up over 20 big bets from where I bought in. The young man was stacking his chips saying, "Long time, no eat," emphasizing the fact that he hadn't won a pot in awhile. 

I smiled and told him, "Congrats. You deserved that one," which was obviously a lie. Then I addressed the table, "See guys, if you don't chase you can't win." Obviously I never intended to lose that pot. My long term hope was that my opponent wouldn't change his game and would continue to chase after miracle draws that would cost him money and pay me off. He was already stuck in the game over $700 and I believed that if he continued to play the way that he was, that there was no way he could get even much less make a profit.

I don't know if this type of encouragement to try to get someone to play bad is really "ethical." One thing I will say is that that the rest of the game loosened up really fast and I ended up being the recipient of walking out with over 3 times as much as I started with about four hours later. The bottom line question that I have is do you believe that it's good etiquette to encourage bad players to continue to play bad. Especially if they are running bad and trying to gamble to get out of the hole? 

Any and all feedback welcome.

2 comments:

Bensontaft said...

Part of the game is to set the tone of the table. A friend, Vince, used to go all in the first 3 hands of a tournament. The tournament was a $10.00 re-buy. It was amazing how this loosened the table up. Good players profit from mistakes. I have no issue with setting the tone of the table.

Big Ken said...

Thanks Benson. One of the things I try to do when I first sit down at a table is to give the image of being a calling station. I never want to look like a table predator. I want to converse with others and make them feel comfortable, like I'm the sucker at the table.